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The “Desperately Seeking Susan” Poster: The Day Madonna Met Herb Ritts

Sunday, February 20, 2011

Desperately Seeking Susan Poster“Is he gay?” asked Madonna. “Gay men take good pictures of me.”

When I worked at the PMK PR firm in 1980, every time we signed a new client, Michael Maslansky (the “M” in PMK) used to have them photographed by Herb Ritts. I’m sure this had more than a little to do with Herb being represented by Michael’s wife Marysa, who had a photo agency called Visages, but the photos were always wonderful. I never met Herb until years later when I had my own company and was handling Paul Verhoeven’s “The Fourth Man.” For an Interview photo, Herb tiptoed me and the film’s Dutch femme fatale, Renée Soutendijk, up to the roof above the dilapidated structure that sat on the site of what is now the Chelsea Piers. It was obvious that we were trespassing and that made it fun, but you couldn’t help but wonder, “How much time had he spent prowling around all that broken glass and torn metal, before he found that perfect spot?”

“I have no idea if Herb Ritts is gay, Madonna,” I said. “But I promise you will Herb Ritts and his  "True Blue" Album Coverlike his pictures.” As usual, Madonna was busting my balls, but the important thing was that she and Rosanna Arquette were  willing to give up an entire Saturday off from shooting “Desperately Seeking Susan” for the special photography shoot. Ann Lander, the Orion exec in charge of photography had assigned Herb to create some portraits that I could circulate to magazines. If all went well, maybe there would be a poster in there too.

But what should the poster be? What would be a solitary image that would capture the story? If you haven’t seen it, the  film is about this bored New Jersey housewife named Roberta (played by Arquette) who follows the personal ads, and is obsessed with a free-spirited type named Susan who uses the personals to keep in touch with her boyfriend. Roberta decides to follow Susan around and when Susan sells her jacket at a thrift store, Roberta buys it, setting in motion a mistaken identity plot. Through the jacket (and a case of amnesia), in a lot of ways Roberta gets to become Susan. The jacket is the engine that makes the whole plot go. So I knew I wanted to display the jacket in a significant way in the poster.

Madonna and Rosanna had totally different kinds of bodies, so Production/Costume Designer Santo Loquasto had made two jackets. But nobody was supposed to know that there was more than one—it would defeat the whole purpose. But something told me that having them both of them in the “Susan” outfits was the way to go. It didn’t make literal sense, but I convinced myself it made metaphorical sense: Roberta and Susan were twins, two sides of the same coin, sisters. Both of them stepped into the other one’s lives, and tried them on for size.

Nowadays photo shoots like these are a big deal, with limos for talent, and a gaggle of publicists and studio executives, but the only people from the movie were me and the wardrobe supervisor Melissa Stanton (who brought the jackets, costumes and accessories), Herb’s crew, and Madonna and Rosanna, who cabbed over themselves. [Why am I so sure they didn’t get cars? Because afterwards Madonna complained that she couldn’t take the subway anymore. She had only recently reached the level of fame where people hassled her on the trains, and she was pissed off about this intrusion on her freedom.]

Upon my entry to the studio, I was greeted by the sight of Madonna whipping off her shirt to change into another outfit. Nothing modest about this girl. I thought to myself, “that’s something very few people will ever see.” Little did I know. Melissa was there with the costumes, but Herb didn’t seem interested. All day long he put the two of them through pose after pose, none of which had nothing to do with the movie.

Rosanna and Madonna had a peculiar relationship. On one hand they were friends and even hung out together outside of work, but on another… Madonna had a way of sucking all the air out of the room. It’s my understanding that the movie was greenlit because Rosanna, red-hot after “The Executioner’s Song” and “Baby, It’s You,” had agreed to be in it. Rosanna was unquestionably the lead and worked practically every day, while Madonna’s role was much smaller in terms of actual scenes. But there was no denying that Madonna was Madonna and she was “Susan,” in a movie called “Desperately Seeking Susan.” Once, when somebody on the street asked who was in the film, I heard Rosanna say, “Madonna.”

The truth was, Madonna had the kind of brash confidence that could overwhelm a lot of people, and certainly a more sensitive type like Rosanna. This photo shoot was a perfect example.

Madonna PosterAt one point, Ritts was shooting some sultry glamour shots of Rosanna posing against a cloth backdrop, when Madonna came over. After gaping at Rosanna for a minute she said, “You look so good I’d like to fuck you myself.” It was funny, but you could almost hear the air—sssssss!—slipping out of Rosanna’s confidence, as her moment was stolen, and it became all about Madonna. And come on! This was Rosanna Arquette, after all—a true fantasy figure for a good portion of the men in America! Moments later, Madonna grabbed the backdrop, commandeered the same pose… and Herb shot an image that became a famous poster.

Eventually it was time for lunch so Melissa and I went out and got some sandwiches. That was catering. “Who wants the tuna?” Madonna played me a track, “Sidewalk Talk,” for a compilation album “Jellybean Rocks the House,” her boyfriend Jellybean Benitez was producing. She seemed pleased that I liked it, which made me feel good. She often made fun of me on the set, but the truth was I spent a lot of time with her alone, going over pictures in her trailer and in her loft (she lived a few blocks from me) and we got along very well. Her instincts for publicity were amazing even then and I have always considered her one of my mentors. (I’ve learned a thing or two from other publicists, but the best training comes from natural born salesmen like her.) My favorite story about her was about how she got her manager. She asked who handled Michael Jackson and when she found out it was Freddy DeMann, she called him. Who would have the chutzpah to do that? Freddy signed her.

Herb Ritts' photo of Madonna for Vanity FairLegendary style-setter Andre Leon Talley turned up unannounced and wanted Herb to shoot a photo of Madonna for Vanity Fair. Before I could say anything, Talley put a pair of multi-colored men’s boxer shorts on top of Madonna’s head and started twisting them around.

This put me in a tough spot because neither Freddy DeMann or Madonna’s publicist Liz Rosenberg had approved this. Madonna said I should call Freddy at home and if he said it was okay, she’d do it. As bratty as she could be, in the important ways she was pretty easy to deal with in those days. I’d say, “look, you have to do this now so that you won’t have to do it later,” and she got it.

It was starting to get pretty late and I decided it was time to put my foot down--I told Herb it was time to shoot the “Desperately Seeking Susan” costumes. After a very long day shooting pictures completely unrelated to the movie, I think he spent an hour or two doing it.   But those few frames turned out to be gold.

As we were getting ready to go, I really did see something that I think very few people have ever seen, at least for a long time. Madonna called Jellybean and they were in the middle of some kind of argument. For a few moments I saw her impregnable shell break away: she appeared to be a normal young woman unsatisfied or hurt by whatever her boyfriend up to. As I had learned that day, showing her breasts wasn’t a big issue to Madonna, but showing vulnerability definitely was: as soon as she spied me looking, she tucked that honest emotion back into whatever place she kept them in, and was “Madonna” again.

"Desperately Seeking Susan" Rolling Stone Cover

Herb Ritts’ Rolling Stone Cover of Madonna and Rosanna
The only picture of them on this page not shot on that first day.

Early the next week, Herb turned up at Madonna’s trailer with several hundred dollars worth of extraordinary photos. Platinum Prints. Museum quality stuff. I’d never seen anything like it. I surmised that he was hoping to photograph Ms. Ciccone again. I think it’s an understatement to say that’s exactly what happened. He became one of Lady Madonna’s top court photographers, shooting many of her most memorable images, until his untimely death in 2002.

Sometime after the film wrapped, I happened to be at the New York Orion office for a publicity meeting when the ad agency was making a presentation. The focus was on the New Jersey housewife part of the movie. Rosanna’s face was on a toaster and Madonna’s face was on a piece of toast. Something I can’t remember with a microwave oven. Each one was more terrible than the one before. As it happened, I had brought a set of the slides from the Ritts photo session to the meeting. I pulled them out and said, “have you guys seen these?” They hadn’t. Ann Lander had gone on vacation and locked the photos up in her safe. Seriously. There was a hush in the room.

This wasn’t the end of the story, however. Some people at Orion thought that the image would make people think it was a lesbian movie. Thankfully the film’s producers, Midge Sanford and Sarah Pillsbury, were able to make their case and the result is the poster as you can see it above.

Pretty much every “Desperately Seeking Susan” slide Herb took during that hour got used thousands of times. One of them even became a Playboy Cover. September 1985 Playboy

Years later I visited the London Film Museum… and there it was! My poster! I was truly proud. I felt that in this tiny way, I had been part of the history of film. After all, that image would not exist if I hadn’t thought it up! Okay, okay, Herb, Rosanna, Madonna, Santo, Melissa, Susan Seidelman, screenwriter Leora Barish, and even Ann Lander had something to do with it too.

As Rosanna Arquette is still someone I have kept in touch with and I believe reads my blog now and then, I apologize for once again making this story ALL ABOUT MADONNA. She has always had a way of making everything about her.

Years later I ran into Madonna at Lee’s Art Shop on 57th Street. I introduced myself and said that I worked on “Desperately Seeking Susan.” “A lot of people worked on ‘Desperately Seeking Susan,’” she said, as she walked past me.

 

MORE ON MADONNA this coming Sunday

Comments (15) -

2/21/2011 11:16:11 AM #

reid -- this was such a fun read.  especially the end.... oh 'a lot of people worked on DSS'.  icing on the cake.  

Mary Jane Skalski United States | Reply

2/22/2011 4:47:57 PM #

Loved reading this. I believe I worked with your PR company over the years on films, either in my mag or for my blog, and always remembered "this is the DSS guy!" Sorry we didn't meet at DSS 25!

boyculture.typepad.com/.../...ts-on-the-ritts.html

Matthew Rettenmund United States | Reply

2/23/2011 2:13:27 PM #

I'm a DSS freak -- it was a cross between reruns of "Family Affair" and the film that drew me to New York City, after all -- but this has to be the funnest story I've heard yet, and I've ever met Susan Seidelman!

Great stuff.

Kenneth United States | Reply

2/23/2011 3:29:51 PM #

Great story, including the bittersweet ending.  

While I've never worked with Madonna, I have had the pleasure of working with Rosanna, and while she would never remember me, she was a pleasure and as I recall, everyone on the production thought she was great as well.

Dave United States | Reply

2/23/2011 4:14:24 PM #

Ah yes indeed, this brings back the memories. I was cuh-razy for the girl when all this was happening. Followed her around like a puppy on set. Such a shame she turned in to such an awful person.

If it's any consolation Reid, you aren't alone in getting the diss from her. About 10+ years ago, I was invited to spend Christmas Eve at a small gathering at a mutual friends place and she was going to be there. I was truly looking forward to seeing her again as she was always playful on DSS and we had a fun relationship. Having done her first-ever screen test with her, etc. I never imagined she'd pull the 'I don't remember you' routine, but that is exactly what she did, sitting less than 3 feet from me. Completely flummoxed, I tried (pathetically) to remind her that we did her screen-test together, that we had a small scen in the movie, etc., at which point she looked me square in the eye and repeated, VERY pointedly, "I. Don't. Remember. You." This was the woman who stuck her tongue at me from the stage at Madison Square Garden; the woman whose voice-mail to me I saved for YEARS cause it was so deliciously flirtatious; the woman whom I still have a photo of me giving her a foot-rub on set (which I was on every friggin' day of the shoot) that was now telling me I didn't exist in her memory. It was infuriating as she was so clearly making a conscious choice to not even engage in the conversation. Narcissism paired with a lack of grace running that deep is pretty mind-blowing to witness, especially when directed so personally at you.

It sucked to have fond memories of her and that time poisoned by that night, but what are you gonna do? Suffice it to say that a few years ago when I re-discovered in storage the signed 'Like A Virgin' poster she gave us all on that last day of shooting ("you can be my second husband after therapy" was one of the things she wrote), with great pleasure I listed it on eBay. The tidy sum I received for it went to underwrite a new flat-screen TV that I am enjoying to this very day. Perhaps a little short-sighted of me, but it felt very good to be rid of it and I will never, ever regret getting it out of my home.

Tim Ransom United States | Reply

2/24/2011 10:10:32 AM #

Tim,

It bothers me a lot more the way she treated you than the way treated me. I had a decent professional relationship with her, but she adored you.

To make up for that a bit, I'm going to write a second blog post for this coming Sunday so I have an excuse to show that Patrick McMullan picture of you, me, Jelly, and "Emmy" that McMullan included in his coffee table book "So 80s."

Reid United States | Reply

2/24/2011 1:36:27 PM #

Just another day in the life that I chose and the fascinating, complicated characters that come with the choice. It could be a LOT worse. Smile

And I want to affirm all who have said that Rosanna was the class part of that dynamic duo. I still see her from time to time and am twice as fond of her today as I was back then. She got the short end of the stick on DSS as the film was originally built around her and then along came Madge, grabbing up all the air in the room. Clearly a force to be reckoned with, but when watching the film at the 25th anniversary screening I was reminded how lovely, funny and charming Rosie is in DSS, and how Madonna used up pretty much every acting trick she had in it and even so, ends up looking self-conscious. Now that  the smoke has cleared from Madonna's bombshell allure and we see that she reached the apex of her acting career in DSS (almost entirely because she was well-cast and little more), Rosanna is the one to watch in that movie.

Tim Ransom United States | Reply

2/26/2011 5:40:56 AM #

sheeeesh bitter much?

She ignored you.....MOVE ON! how would you feel if every person you worked with wanted something from you? i'm sure that's how she felt....that now you wanted more from her...because she has what she has......i have a feeling that's one her big fears.

DSS was a HUGE success thanks to MADONNA....she transformed what could have been a "meh" movie into a bonified classic.
You didn't make MADONNA a star....MADONNA is a star...as is evidenced in EVERY scene she commads.

K. Canada | Reply

2/23/2011 5:40:52 PM #

I know the way you end this piece shouldn't come as a surprise to me, yet I still find myself shocked at being reminded exactly how big a bitch Madge can be.... one forgets if it's not directed in one's own direction.

JCW United States | Reply

2/24/2011 6:15:52 AM #

Great post!  I think that last sentence probably sums up 90% of Madonna's personality.

Andy United States | Reply

2/26/2011 6:09:38 AM #

I love how people always point out how Rosanna was supposed to be the 'star' of this film, like Madonna is this evil force who came and stole it from her. Now Rosanna may have had the lead role in this film, but a star she quite simply wasn't. Madonna however was, & quite naturally so. She is the only reason why people still care about this movie. A movie which I have fond memories of because it captures an era. But that's about it. In the grand scheme of things this film is overrated and quite cheesy. Take Madonna out of the equation & it's even less remarkable.

Marco Belgium | Reply

2/26/2011 8:47:06 AM #

boyculture.typepad.com/.../whos-that-boy.html

Here is that AMADEUS-party pic in case you don't have a copy!

Matthew Rettenmund United States | Reply

2/26/2011 12:45:14 PM #

thank you for sharing this with us, i love reading stuff like this.

let's face it...madonna isn't an angel, but hell, who here can say they are? i fell in love with madonna, partly, because of her chutzpah. and the more i discovered about her history in the late 70's/early 80's in nyc/the east village, the more i fell in love with her. why? because NO ONE...absolutely NO ONE was going to get in the way of her dreams. she would do whatever she had to do, and whomever she had to do, to accomplish her goal: "...to rule the world."

but as i've gotten older, and grown out of my "screw anyone and everyone, i will do as i damn well please" younger phase, i've come to be disappointed with the way madonna treated people at times. she really let some people down...people whom considered her a friend, people who felt they have a connection with her, people who felt like madonna and them had shared something special that would last a long time (Maripol comes to mind when i write this). but the truth is, ALL OF US disappoint people all the time---and i think this is especially true when you're younger. God knows how many people expected me to stick around, and i just wanted to keep moving...and keep going. i got the hell out of southern california the second i could, and never looked back. i hurt my family at times with my independence, and hurt many people along the way (i'm sure) who thought i was going to stick around, but i didn't. i jumped from one place and one person to the next in many respects.

anyhow, ultimately, i feel that's what some of us who maybe criticize or look down on madonna for the way she treated people when she was younger (or even now), need to remember (not directing this at you Reid---this is more of a general comment). madonna was hungry for fame, and hungry for attention. the type of hunger she had is a hunger very few people on this planet have, and the stars aligned her way and made her dreams happen. however, she was also the kind of person who simply wasn't going to give a fuck about who she hurt, or who she left discarded along the way. she was focused on only one thing: herself/her fame/her notoriety. screw everyone else (for the most part).

do i think madonna's changed over the years? of course. like anyone else, she's grown up, she now has a family, children, she's given her time and energy to causes that are beyond her (selfless if you will), and i think her heart has softened over the years. but we also have to remember that the media and people around her would've probably eaten up madonna like vultures if she didn't have the defense and tough-bitch mechanims that she had, and still does in many respects. everyone wanted a piece of her, and she had to find ways to make sure she protected herself, and part of that was being incredibly cold, distant, and outright mean at times (i'm sure). i can't relate to protecting yourself on that huge/universal/fame kind of level, but i can certainly relate to using distance/being cold to defend myself from getting or feeling hurt. i've done that for the majority of my life. i still do it many times in my life, but little by little, i get better at not using that as a defense, and instead---opening up.

ultimately, i think stories like these show that madonna was a girl who set out to rule the world, and no one was going to get in her way, and if she discarded, hurt, or forgot people along the way---she could give a rat's ass. at least at the time. i'm sure it's a different story now, but it is what it is. she certainly has a lot of karmic payback, and i'm sure in many respects she's already paid it back (the 1992-1994 backlash era comes to mind), but, well...she did what she had to do to make her dreams come true. i admire her for it, and at the same time, i am disappointed by how many people she hurt along the way---though i also understand.

Cristian Gonzales United States | Reply

2/26/2011 6:37:38 PM #

I've been really surprised by the intensity of the response to the last line in my post.  She didn't hurt my feelings at at all. I wrote it because it's true and because it was a good ending. I'm always looking for good endings to my posts. : )

I feel VERY lucky to have known her and worked with her in those days. Remember that she wanted publicity then and I was a publicist. We were on the same team. She had attitude, but ultimately she was a lot easier to work with than a large percentage of the people I've worked with. Particularly on movie sets.  I don't remember a single reasonable thing that she outright refused to do.

I've written a second Desperately Seeking Susan post for next week (out Monday) so maybe I will probably piss more people off.  But these are just things that happened. Any negative judgments anybody wants to make from these stories come from them, not me.  People aren't bad or good, they're complicated, and that goes as much for ambitious and highly talented people like her as it does for anybody else. I liked her then and I've always been impressed to see how far she's gone.    

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